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Creating stories offline

One major annoyance when creating offline stories is that one does not get to the freshly created story, but to the story manager instead where you have links to edit/delete/publish the story, but can't read/view the story in its full presentation. The way I see it, creating stories offline often serves the purpose to re-read the story before publishing it - yet to do this, one has to click several times between the story manager interface where stories are set online and the story view where the story can be read/viewed.

I tried to fix this and I'm asking whether you agree that what I came up with is preferrable to the status quo. Here's what's changed:

  • When a story is created, one is always redirected to the full story view. (This should always be viewable for the author, even on websites where the author does not hold any special roles, right?)
  • I changed the story.onlinelink_macro default behavior to only display a link to set the story online if the story is offline, but not to set it offline if it is online. To get links in both directions, the macro must be called with the option mode="toggle".
  • The default story/main.skin gets a story.onlinelink macro with default behaviour (i.e. link is only displayd to set story online if it is currently offline) next to the story.editlink. The storymanager view gets a story.onlinelink with mode="toggle", i.e the online/offline link is always displayed.

With these changes, creating a story as offline is equivalent to seeing a preview before publishing, with links to either do some more editing or set it online.

What do you think?

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robert, October 13, 2002 at 1:15:42 PM CEST

Re: Creating stories offline

i'm basically +1 for your proposal, the only problem i see (and this is the reason for the way i implemented it) is that many users won't recognize that the story is offline if they're redirected to the full view after saving the story (we had that problem before the storymanager was implemented). just the fact that there's an additional link for publishing the story is imo not enough, we'll have to clearly mark the story as offline (something like a line in the header saying "this story is currently offline. click here to publish it").

second we'll have to make sure that the offline-story either doesn't appear in listings (i think now it does) or that it is unambigously marked as "you can see the story because you're the author, but everybody else can't").

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hns, October 14, 2002 at 11:47:21 AM CEST

Re: Re: Creating stories offline

Should be easy to mark the story as offline. Let's just display a "offline" on grey background. BTW, Antville is lacking user messages to signal that a story has been set online/offline.

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nex, October 17, 2002 at 12:17:18 PM CEST

Re: Creating stories offline

brilliant ideas (also from robert!), very useful. i want that. i'd also like to be able to do things in the story view, as an admin (or owner of the story), that i can only do in the storypool currently. for example, when i open that story i wrote and i want to set it offline/online or delete it, i have to search for it in the storypool, and i have to do it clumsy because i have to flick back through 11 pages until i find it. instead, i'd like to have the apropriate links right below it.

i figure i can do this simply by editing the skin; would be nice to have it in the default skin, though.

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hns, October 17, 2002 at 3:05:32 PM CEST

Re: Re: Creating stories offline

I know the problem. However, I think there's a problem to have all the options for a story linked at all times, because it effectively reduces usability. (Having "delete", "set offline", "edit" etc links for all stories all the time would clutter the screen and make the interface harder to use.) That's why I chose to only include the "set online" link if the story is currently offline, but not the other way around.

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nex, October 17, 2002 at 3:37:06 PM CEST

Re: Re: Re: Creating stories offline

i guess everyone has different preferences. one might also argue that having the "set online" link there, but not the "set offline" link, makes the inetrface less consistent and thus reduced usability ;-) in one of my local antville blogs i threw out lots of links and options so it's easier to handle for my not-so-computer-literate users (and rephrased some messages), but throwign stuff out is easier than adding new features.

maybe it would be an acceptable compromise to have a link that jumps to the right entry in the story manager, where you can change the status and delete it. this would be simple and consistent and a useful feature anyway.

and maybe you will be able to choose between "beginner's mode" and "advanced mode" when creatign a new blog some day ;-)

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