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my thoughts about memberships

this is a followup to an older post. currently you have 5 groups of users - 1. non-members, 2. antville-members, i.e. members on some other antville-site, 3. weblog-members, i.e. members of this particular site, 4. contributers and 5. admins of one site.

there are differences between group 2 and group 3, but they are currently treated as being the same. antville members can comment and post on an open site without being weblog-member. on the other hand, the weblog-membership is required to receive the contributor or admin privilege.

here are my idea from the user (not programmer) perspective. the normal user won't notice a difference but the admin will.

  • if a non-member signs up to one weblog he becomes an antville-member and, of course, a weblog-member of this particular site.

  • if a antville-member visites a weblog he is not a member he can simply sign up to become a weblog-member
    a) with a 1-click-registration (file a patent on this :-) or b) by writing a comment or creating a story or image (if allowed).

  • a weblog-member will appear on the membership page and the site-admin can assign privileges as before, but the sign-up link in the member-menu should vanish. maybe you give the admin a chance to block users.

  • contributers and admins remain the same.

maybe we can have a chat on the phone, because i have some more ideas resulting from my experience with manila.

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robert, November 14, 2001 at 7:24:36 PM CET

i'm not sure if someone should automatically become a member when posting or creating a story, i think users should be able to decide if they want to become a member of a specific weblog or not.

what i did change already (in the new version of antville) is that the sign-up link vanishes when you're a member of a weblog (it's replaced with a message saying i.e. "your're admin of myweblog"), but anyway things are still missing and confusing because:

  • the layout during registration does not change to the default antville-layout, so it looks like you're creating an account for a specific weblog, but in fact it's an overall valid antville.org-login (see i.e. [Macro not allowed in sandbox: comment.link] ). i'm pretty sure that a lot of users believe that they registered just within this weblog ... what might help is to explicitly write "register in antville", "login in antville" and "become a member of myweblog" ...

  • when you're signing up to a weblog, you're asked again if your email-adress is correct. this is somehow redundant, and, as you mentioned, a one-click-signup would be much nicer.

  • also missing: "invitations" of contributors/admins (as hns described).

so we really need to clean up the mess with memberships/contributor- or admin-status :-)

and btw: not that i'd not like to chat on the phone :-), but posting ideas here gives others too the possibility to participate.

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motzes, November 14, 2001 at 8:47:07 PM CET

gracias

especially those who are far away and don´t want to pay telefónica. just reading these messages once, i already think: what? and too many possibilities. but that is just the first impression.

i don´t feel like signing up, when i post a comment in a specific weblog. i simply don´t want to have a window popping up in front of my nose, when i just want to write my text there. and what i don´t get: if i am a member i am an admin??? i think there is confusion. i am eager to read more about the ideas of kris - yesyesyes.in the meanwhile i will read everything again and think about it more precisely, i promise.

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robert, November 14, 2001 at 10:07:44 PM CET

just to make things clear: i'm thinking of a simplification ... so to say: antville consists of two groups of users: lurkers (aka surfers) and registered users. the latter can (beside creating their own weblog) "subscibe" to a foreign weblog, and they can be "invited" by admins of an antville-weblog to participate as contributors or even admins. that's it. nothing more.

beside that "subscribing" to a weblog at first hand just means that this weblog is added to your "my weblogs"-list, but there's a list of features one could think of that could be added (i.e. notification etc.) and, of course, there should be the possibility to unsubscribe too.

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kris, November 15, 2001 at 1:10:11 AM CET

simplification for users and admins

it is confusing that members of some other weblog can contribute to my site without being member. as an admin i have no chance to see their email address, to make them contributors or to block them (if possible), because they are not on the membership page. i really like the current behaviour where everybody can comment on other sites so easily. my suggestion does not mean more complexity for the user, but the admin will have more information about the site members.

my idea was: in order to clear things up you do not permit non-members to comment or post. if they want to they have to sign up. the sign-up process should be as simple as possible, i.e. users with no antville login have to fill in the form. antville members do not have to send all these information, so they could sign up with one click.

i think it is pretty convenient to automatically become a member by creating an object (comment, story, ...). it even makes sense when you connect it with the "my weblogs" features, because if you post a comment, you are interested in the replies and you may want to follow the updates on this site. i don't see any problems in this, especially if you allow an "unsubscribe", because if you post to one site you do it delibrately, automatic signup is one click (posting an object) and "deliberate" signup is two (signing-up and posting).

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hns, November 15, 2001 at 1:06:37 PM CET

I generally

support the scheme robert is describing, but I agree with kris that it's awkward that somebody may write a story on your weblog and you have no idea who you're dealing with.

I would make the division between posting a story and posting a comment: To post a comment, you don't need to be(come) a member of a site, to post a story (on sites that allow that) you do.

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tobi, November 15, 2001 at 2:01:34 PM CET

all i have to add at this point is that becoming a member should not be an irreversible process. and i should be able to get a list of weblogs i am a member of including the member status.

update: that's simply for reasons of forgiveness and transparency. i surely want to know where my e-mail address is loitering around and eventually want to stop it from doing so.

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kris, November 15, 2001 at 3:01:59 PM CET

membership in general

i suppose the avarage user doesn't really want to know whether he is member or not when he posts a comment or story. he wants to post easily. that's what he does now and that won't change in either way.

i think everyone who writes a comment should automatically be a member, because the memberhip page is the only place to see the email address of the user. it makes also sense in long term if you intent to add a feature to block trolls.

i personally don't care which other weblogs i am member of. this doesn't mean that i don't want to see tobi's feature, it means that it doesn't make a difference to me if i am a member (and not admin or contributor) of a blog or not, as long as i can post easily.

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hns, November 15, 2001 at 3:09:30 PM CET

Well, membership as subscription will become important and useful for users (it isn't right now). So if it's just for the purpose of seeing people's email addresses, I'd prefer to make them accessible on the spot (at the story or comment the user has posted) for viewers logged in as admin or contributor, as opposed to automatically forcing membership.

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