it consists of a space (" ") only and it works well.

<!-- --> should do it, too. anyway, if empty skins are needed i'd like to hear robert's opinion if this could be implemented...

when you can fix it easily? (just wondering.)

wondering with you. together we are (wondering) strong.

tobi, unfortunately deleting the macro isnt possible everywhere - e.g. I tried to limit all functions to only admins and contributors and offer no usernavigation at all. As all the skins are called in one macro there's no way to handle this, other than making the skin empty.

that's a real dead-end.

and, btw, this forces one to always have the complete navigation in one place - e.g. trying to put the admin navigation somewhere else (other div or table) leads to html-coding troubles as one shouldnt add any table tags in such a skin...

the navigation is being unbundled anyway, i.e. allowing navigation for users, contribs and admins to be placed independently from each other. At least I talked about that with Robert some weeks ago and we agreed on this point.

To me, the user navigation never made much sense. I think the reason why most people don't change basic site navigation is because it's hidden so well in the "Skins for advanced administrators" section. I think the basic site navigation should even be baked directly into the main page skin with only the contrib/admin links added dynamically by macro.