Right, the info above is just a tiny bit of what you actually need. I was already going on yesterday to write a HOWTO on using WinCVS (for the poor suckers on Windows boxes who don't know what to do with those obscure CVS commands), but my firewall at the office didn't let me try out the download, so I sent the document home and planned to finish it there. However, on my way home I picked uo a new game and... well, I'll finnish it Real Soon Now^TM.

I'll update my little write-up above with links to libraries and stuff once I've done that---thanks for the tip.

The Antclick-how-to would be interesting for developers, you should put it somewhere on project.antville. It's not as helpful for users since Antclick is exactly for those who want a simple installation and thus not build anything. But it would be cool if the downloadable Antclick archive was updated more often. Would help in converting some Manila users ;-)

Why don't you fix the problem (i.e. work on the site navigation, content etc.) instead of complaining? Remember that Helma/Antville is a group of voluntary contributors. There are no predefined roles among us, we have the roles and responsabilities we decide to have, and yes, we are totally open to new contributors.

And please remember that nobody is getting paid for developing Antville.

give me ftp access and i put up an easy to download antclick on the first of every month.

I suggest using scp (secure copy) if you are on Mac OS X. Robert, is the static directory where you put the antville downloads still mounted on apache@adele? adele.helma.org exists but is not browsable.

send me the access data by mail and i'll build and upload a new antclick next monday.

i suggested regular antclicks on the ftp or http server a while ago, but the discussion digressed to finishing the version 1.0. all i wanted to remark is having regular antclick packages for easy download would really help to promote the project. the entry level for those who want to check it out is currently way too high.

for your efforts, kris. i'm currently fiddling with the apache-config here at adele, but i'll send you the access-data soon.

Update: the url for downloading will be www.antville.org, it's working again

I'm very pleased about the outcome of this discussion and will update the story above as soon as there actually is a new download available :-) Thanks, kris!

i have to build an antclick every now and then anyway. i'd rather do that then writing a howto (not so hard) and keep it up-to-date (incredibly hard).

on adele it wouldn't be a problem creating nightly builds of both helma and antclick. I've already tried that out, but for some reason it never got installed.